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THE SHAKING – THE JUDGEMENT IS COMING FIRE AND WATER - SAN FRANCISCO AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA IDOLATRY - THE GOLDEN GATE FALLS – LOS ANGELES – REVIVAL FIRE
Dear Friends
I was awoken in the early hours of the morning to hear the words ringing out -' THE BAYTHE BAY THE BAY THE BAY' – As I currently live in the UK and am not at all familiar with the West Coast I did not know even know what The Bay meant other than that I knew the Lord was saying CALIFORNIA - but once again I sensed a strong red alert for San Francisco.
It was only a day LATER that I discovered that the Bay area covers San Francisco. I knew the Lord was trying to get my attention.
Words of judgement are often not well received and I have held back on this word for several weeks to weigh it intensely, but under the fear of the Lord I feel I must deliver it now so that those with a burden for the West coast can pray, so that many, many will come to repentance in this present hour and also that God's faithful servants will know his supernatural protection in the times to come. This is what I saw.
THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY - ANGELS OF JUDGEMENT CARRYING GOLDEN SCYTHES
I saw two huge Angels of Judgement carrying what seemed to be huge golden threshing instruments that looked like scythes. They were crying out in loud voices:
'THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY' and again they cried out - 'THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY.'
I did not know what that meant except that I knew that it was CALIFORNIA and I had the same dread for San Francisco that I had experienced before when I had received the 'West Coast' Prophecy.
And I saw a mighty shaking and trembling begin under the earth
And the Lord said – 'From under the Pacific it shall come – in Fire and in water – it shall come.'
It was hardly noticeable at first but it was as though the whole city froze as one and then the shaking and the terror and THEN THE FIRE CAME
I saw a horrifying inferno -- A literal inferno.
I saw ravaged land - ravaged, ravaged cities.
But one city received the full force of this terror and earthquake and this is what the warning was crying out 'THE BAY – THE BAY'
And I saw the heavens were black – blacker than black and there was no light – all light was extinguished.
And the smoke continued to rise and thousands upon thousands of this city were killed at the first strike
But I saw a second strike.
A second strike
And I saw water - water devastating parts of the West Coast – to the NORTH – THE NORTH – beware the NORTH – THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIAN COASTLINE
I still saw plumes of smoke rising from charred buildings.
There was not just one city affected. It was more than one - on the Northern California Coast.
People were bleeding and dying.
The emergency services were hindered greatly from reaching The Bay in good time – they were prepared but no one could prepare for this and the suffering was intense.
I heard many cursing God – even in their suffering instead of crying out for mercy they were cursing God
But I also heard those crying out in desperation for His mercy and the Angel of the Lord spoke the Word of the Lord
And I heard him say 'And these ones I shall by no means cast out.'
EMPTY CISTERNS – EMPTY CISTERNS – SCALES OF JUDGEMENT FULL
And the moon turned a strange colour of crimson.
And the haze hung over the bay for many days and nights.
And the city was silent.
Thousands of people were left crushed - drowned.
I felt this was further up the coast than Los Angeles – more to the North, though Los Angeles was shaken it was not as devastating as The BAY the Lord was talking about.
EMPTY CISTERNS I saw written in the sky EMPTY CISTERNS above San Francisco – and the scales – the scales of sin and judgement were full – so full that judgement could not be withheld over San Francisco.
LOS ANGELES – A SPIRITUAL FLAME –ANGELS ON THE WIND – REVIVAL BREAKS FORTH
And then I saw Los Angeles – and it seemed a different scenario – and I knew that the Lord held in great esteem and looked down with a great and enduring compassion on His servants - His prophets –His intercessors - His servants who had stood in the gap for Los Angeles.
And I saw many intercessors who had stood in the gap day and night for Los Angeles and California and I wondered if these faithful servants of God were the reason that in the former vision I only saw a partial devastation of Los Angeles – great swathes of Los Angeles were PROTECTED.
But San Francisco and along the northern coast seemed to receive the full brunt of the ferocious shaking.
There was a great scale in the sky and I saw one side of the scale weighed right down with sin and iniquity.
I still remember being shocked because I still heard many in San Francisco still cursing God - and I knew that was a reflection of how sin and rebellion against the most high God had blackened the hearts of men in this city.
LOS ANGELES
And I was taken back to Los Angeles.
And I saw a spiritual flame burning from Los Angeles and the Southern Coastline of California.
And I saw Angels on the wind over Los Angeles with a banner REVIVAL BREAKS FORTH
And a connection with LAKELAND – this seemed to be happening in a second timeline that was not the same timeline as the former vision but was more in the present season.
But it made me wonder if this calamitous event was not coming quicker than we knew or thought.
PART TWO
SAN FRANCISCO – GOLDEN GATE ALTAR OF HARLOTS AND IDOLATERS – BAAL - IDOLATRY
But then I was led back to San Francisco and the great devastation ahead in the future –
And I saw a sign in the sky that read THE GOLDEN GATE – ALTAR OF HARLOTS AND IDOLATERS – And I saw the words BAAL and IDOLATRY – LASCIVIOUSNESS – LUST – SODOM AND GOMORRA
And I saw the face of the Angels of Judgement were set fiercely against this city and the word of the Lord came forth saying – 'For I have set my face against this land – and even in a moment I shall smite it' – and I saw the fall of the Golden Gate - cut in two and how the mighty were brought to the ground even in a moment. And I saw above the Golden gate bridge written IDOLATRY.
And I saw the city of San Francisco a devastation – blackened and even to the coastline to the North of San Francisco –
'CRY OUT, CRY OUT!' cried the Angels of the Lord –'CRY OUT, CRY OUT to the Most High God for surely your idols have fallen – every one – and no more shall they rise.'
RAINBOW RISING FROM THE STRETCHES OF NORTH CALIFORNIA OVER SAN FRANCISCO TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA – I SHALL ESTABLISH IN THIS PLACE MY GOLDEN GATE
And then I saw a rainbow – the most glorious sight – it rose from the stretches of Northern California and over the devastated city of San Francisco and then over to Southern California and it blazed with every colour as bright as the sun and out of the radiance I saw a GOLDEN GATE – it seemed so huge and so glorious it looked as the gates of heaven – and I heard the Lord say – 'And now I shall establish in this place MY GOLDEN GATE –
A gate of repentance –
A gate of revival –
A gate of cleansing –
A gate of Holiness'.
And I saw a remnant in that charred city come out from under the angel's robes – and over their heads was written FAITHFUL and TRUE –and The Lord said 'These are those who stood for me in this city of San Francisco-
These are those who have wept and pleaded and interceded for this city day and night without ceasing. These are those who were My gate keepers of this city – who heralded in revival – and poured out My Spirit even in the face of great opposition and persecution – these are those who are greatly BELOVED by me.'
And I saw that the Lord Himself had placed them under the angel's mantle and that these faithful pastors and apostles, these intercessors and prophets had been divinely protected by the Lord's own hand from this harm and I saw the Father's hand pick them up and set them on high with heaven's Golden Gate – as His chosen gatekeepers for the new move of His spirit that would sweep through the Northern parts and coastline of California.
And I heard the Lord say 'REDDING - REDDING ' – and I saw a vast thick elixir like golden river flowing from REDDING to San Francisco - San Jose and on to Los Angeles – and these forks in the river were all connected.
LOS ANGELES – SEVENTEEN HUGE BLAZING LIGHTS A SIGN READ - MORE TIME – REVIVAL FIRE A GREAT GRACE SHALL ARISE FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Then the Lord directed me to look back to Los Angeles – and I saw Los Angeles shaken but by no means devastated or destroyed. And I saw as the rainbow encircled Los Angeles great swathes of light beaming up into the night skies – these were blazing beams of light almost as from monstrous searchlights. And there were thousands of them – some were very small like pinpricks but others were so huge and filled the night sky.
And the Lord said – 'This is the reason My hand has been stayed for yet a season for Los Angeles. For these are My servants – HOLY and TRUE. '
And once again – it seemed I was taken back to a second timeline more in this present and coming season before the devastation that was to come
And I saw thousands of the tiniest of lights were small groups of intercessors meeting in their homes – one on one – in small groups – piercing the heavenlies, then the brighter lights were fellowships' of churches all across Los Angeles and California – but there were seventeen of the strongest monstrous searchlights – I saw around five in Los Angeles itself, the rest were across Northern and Southern California – and the Angels' of the Lord cried 'HOLY HOLY ARE YOU LORD – HOLY IS THE LAMB.'
And I sensed that these were the blazing lights of those who had followed the Lamb wherever He went with great sacrifice to their own lives and their own agendas – and it was because of these ones that the Judgement over Los Angeles would be stayed and I saw a sign that read –
MORE TIME - REVIVAL FIRE – And I sensed a GREAT SHIFT IN THE SPIRIT CENTERING ON LOS ANGELES AND CALIFORNIA – THIS WAS HAPPENING NOW IN THIS PRESENT SEASON – I sensed the Lord was IN THIS PRESENT SEASON about to turn His FOCUS and INTIMATE ATTENTION on Los Angeles and California – and it was a BLAZING FOCUS – I felt the Fathers eyes were as hot coals blazing with His Mercy, His Judgement yet with His infinite grace upon the West coast and especially Los Angeles – that He had been deeply stirred by the cries of His people.
AND I SAW ANOTHER SIGN THAT READ – REVIVAL FIRES IN THE WEST and I saw the streams from Redding join with several of the streams in Los Angeles.
And a fiery molten stream from LAKELAND. This stream was literally so intense – hissing and burning with the fire's of the Ancient of Days - it was blazing red hot coals everywhere it passed. And then I saw different streams emanating from some of these light bearers and I saw molten silver river flow and a molten ruby fire river flow from another and from another flowed a river of diamond like molten fire. And I realised that where the Lamb was worshipped and adored, the Lord was about to JOIN some streams together and it was out of this that California's revival fire would come.
And I saw the words – A GREAT GRACE – A GREAT GRACE – and the Lord said - 'A GREAT GRACE SHALL ARISE FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT SHALL IMPACT THE NORTH EVEN TO THE STATE OF WASHINGTON – EVEN TO SEATTLE,' SAYS THE LORD – 'AND TO VANCOUVER IT SHALL BLAZE
THE PACIFIC – KOREA – SINGAPORE – I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU
and the Pacific – the Pacific' says the Lord – 'across the Pacific these fires will go – ASIA.' And I saw CHINA and JAPAN and KOREA lit by streams of these molten rivers from Los Angeles – and I saw a molten river from CHINA – a different river - the river from China was the only river that had live jumping fish swimming upstream – and I seemed to sense the fish represented a huge catch of souls – that evangelists from China had some part in evangelism of the West Coast –and this river was flowing back to the West Coast also - even a great outpouring on the Chinese communities in California ahead - and South Korea but also the North – North Korea – 'And SINGAPORE', says the lord – 'Singapore – you have worshipped mammon – you have worshipped that which has been built with bricks and mortar –that which has been by your own hand and you have turned away and have forgotten me – but I am coming to SINGAPORE – even in a moment – and even as the stocks and the shares of the east shall shake and stand in the balance – so Singapore I shall yet show you my love for you – for I have commissioned you to proclaim my gospel even to the far reaches of the East – even to Mongolia your evangelists will go,' says the Lord – 'To Malaysia, Indonesia and far beyond –for I have not forgotten you, Singapore - and you shall yet see the King in his beauty even in your land.'
Thus we see another logical trend. The more feminism is in power in a land, the more monogamous it is and the more it is swept over by homosexuality and lesbianism. The more patriarchal and polygamous the land, the least likely it is to be taken over by homosexuality and lesbianism.
By renouncing the Jews, the ways of the patriarchal fathers and their ways were also renounced, thus so was Biblical polygamy. This is a big mistake of the early Church. And because the reformed Church did not thoroughly cleanse herself from Romanism, Biblical patriarchy was only partially restored and polygamy is still considered an abomination.
But essentially, this reveal that the elements of the Roman spirit are nothing but exclusivity, possessiveness and idolatry. And such elements are perpetuated as dominant factors into all aspects of modern life of the should-be monogamy culture and this is where the failings begin.
MONOGAMY IS AS OLD AS ADAM Monogamy is as old as Adam. But that's not the real issue. From the beginning, through the generations, even to this day, monogamy, polygamy and celibacy are known forms of marital status, and of course rising up strong is "homogamy", the old time abhorred practice of homosexuality which is once again fighting for recognition and acceptance. What is in question here is how and when monogamy began to be imposed as the only right form of marriage acceptable to God and man.
MONOGAMY AND SHOULD-BE MONOGAMY The practice of faithful monogamy stipulates that a man can marry only one wife at any one time in his life. Even though the various forms of marriages have been practiced through the generations, monogamy has emerged to become law in some countries today, such that the legal registration of more than one wife become a violation. This is termed "Should-be" or "must-be" monogamy.
The first instances of such widespread enforcement were in Western Europe and it eventually gained worldwide acceptance in the modern world, especially in the Western Hemisphere. How did it happen? More so, how did it become known as the only acceptable standard to the God of the Bible when so many of the Bible's founding patriarchs were openly polygamous? The answer of course would be one of greatest concern to Christians. And it will be an interesting but a very tragic one.
SOME HISTORICAL BACKGROUND We have to look at some other related history first. The Roman system was an empire built on conquest with incorporation. The secret of Rome's strength lie in her ability to incorporate vanquished nations into her own political body. Never before had so many people been brought under one government without making slaves of most of them. The Romans were basically barbaric and lawless in characteristics, but were experts in adaptability, absorbing nations, cultures and religions and cross breeding them into one another, by force if necessary. Through this, the rulers sought to keep the entire empire under control. Gradually the Roman Empire became permeated with the philosophy of the Greeks and the religions of the Jews and Christians. The natural part of human life was raised to a higher plane. Combined with the Greek influence, Roman law and political ideas have had a strong influence on the West. Thus the Greek notion of democracy, the religions of the Jews and Christian, the law and political influence of the Romans, all these mixed together made the civilization of the later Western world. Clearly, history tells us that the Roman civilization is the direct ancestor of the modern West.
THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND THE ROMAN CHURCH Christianity became known as the official western religion, and the native religions of the western world became known as heathen - uncivilized and unenlightened. However it was not so in the beginning. It may be a surprise for many to know that during the first 3 centuries, the Christians suffered tremendously under the Roman government which tried to destroy them. However, Christianity was spreading too vigorously to be kept under control. The strategy of elimination through persecution eventually changed to one of embracing it and controlling its destiny to fulfill the purpose of their rulers.
The church on the other hand made a compromise to accept Rome and became the destroyer of her mother (Israel) who bore her. In the process, truth suffered. Biblical commandments that the Apostles taught were subordinated to pagan convenience. The church entered into apostasy. This was fully realized in the 4th century when Emperor Constantine the Great declared himself a Christian, the first pope and the ruler of the church, which he called, the Roman Catholic Church that existed to these days. By his own authority he set up church councils, installed and deposed bishops, imprisoning and banishing them, imposed religious edicts under penalty of Roman Law. He set up the Council of Rome and Nicene, and bridged the Empire of Rome to the Church of Rome.
One after another, the unscrupulous and cruel wolves as prophesied in the scriptures, entered the Church to take control, ravish and strip the Church to total spiritual nakedness and bankruptcy, and then clothed her in mockery and strange garments. Greco-Roman ideologies, values and pagan practices and rituals were adopted as standards and holiness in the Church. The Christian Jews who had understanding of God's truths refused to toe the line. As a result, they were denounced as traitors, betrayers and murderers of the Lord, and were replaced by the Gentile "spiritual Jews", where the old, including the Hebraic understanding of the scriptures were forcibly put away and replaced by the Greco-Roman way of interpreting the scriptures. The wolves now had a totally free hand, this time in the Name of God. Sounds like a fairy tale, but painfully true. This is the background and setting for the origin and history of the "must-be" monogamy theology.
CATHOLIC PRIESTS WERE MONOGAMOUS AND POLYGAMOUS BUT MADE CELIBATE Due to the widespread illiteracy of the scriptures, especially that of the Gentile believers who were totally ignorant of the Torah, whatever the Catholic priests said were considered as God's Law and divine truths. One area of total distortion was that of marital relationship. Surprising to almost all of us, it was common for Catholic priests to have multiple wives and mistresses. In 726AD, it was acceptable for a man with a sick wife to take a second wife so long as he looked after the first one. With concerns for protecting Church property from inheritance however, offspring could not inherit church property and it was later declared that all sons of priests were illegitimate. In 1022, Pope Benedict VIII banned marriages for priests (monogamous or polygamous). Finally in 1139, Pope Innocent II voided all marriages of priests and all new priests had to divorce their wives. All these were done to possess and protect money and church property. Making polygamy a sin and marriage unacceptable for a priest was a slow and purposeful process.CELIBACY AND ASCETICISM PROPAGATED AS HOLINESS Backing up this hidden agenda, was an anti-human Greek doctrine concocted from the pit of hell by the hatred of Satan, manifested as holiness against all human nature and passions. It is called asceticism; the paganistic teaching that to be spiritual is to be poor, thus sex and all human passions would have to be denied for the highest fulfillment found only in monastic lifestyle. This distorted view of human passions and sexuality put a terrible burden on the shoulders of all who wanted to be spiritual. Worse still, it became the root and the source of much more other lies and deception regarding holiness and marriage forms in the whole Christian world.
Celibacy was propagated as the new standard of high attainment in holiness. Sex was taken to be unclean and sinful. Marriages were painted, at best as being a necessary evil to guard against sexual sins such as fornication. Because of such a heathen belief, monks and nuns were considered holier and closer to God than anybody else, and priests would necessarily be celibates. Marriage was considered an activity of the flesh, if possible, to be avoided by those seeking spirituality. Thus monogamy would be tolerated as an acceptable norm among the "less spiritual" and polygamy would be condemned as an abomination. Clearly, Greek philosophy and Roman monogamy were in control of the entire Church. This prevailed in what is known as the Dark Ages of the Church.
ROMANS WERE NOTORIOUSLY MONOGAMOUS Christianity was strongly and aggressively propagated from the Roman Empire into the West and from the West into the rest of the world and thus came to be known as a western religion. It should be noted that the Romans were notoriously monogamous due to an inherent exclusivity (which we shall discuss later) in monogamy. These are some of the practices and enforcement, even on their own monarchs and nobles. Nero, the Caesar who divorced, banished and murdered his first wife in order to marry the second. He blamed his atrocious act of burning Rome on the Christians. What resulted were countless martyrs. Even Napoleon the great conqueror who crowned himself could not overthrow this law, and had to divorce his beloved wife, Josephine in order to marry another so as to yield a son. Such facts and examples are clearly evident in European history. Yet were the Romans truly monogamous? History tells us that in the Roman Empire and in medieval Christendom, though marriage was monogamous, mating was often polygynous. A lord of a manor would have one wife but his household was set up as an unofficial harem of servant girls.
This briefly sums up the origin of should-be monogamy theology and ideology.
MONOGAMY PROPAGATED THROUGH CHRISTIANITY AND WESTERN SUPREMACY Thus we see how Christianity was corrupted with the Greco-Roman philosophy and values to the point of being almost totally heathen, bowing down to saints and angels, paying for salvation with money and penance. Despite reformations and revivals in the 15th century that challenged and overthrew the ritualistic corruption, Greco-Roman values and interpretation of the Bible are still very much in the Christian lifestyle. This includes enforced monogamy, the Roman form of idolizing woman and the goddesses. Christianity today is still very much Romanized where monogamy is Law rather than being Hebraic in nature where polygamy was well accepted in the sight of God and man. By renouncing the Jews, the ways of the patriarchal fathers and their ways were also renounced, thus so was Biblical polygamy. This is a big mistake of the early Church. And because the reformed Church did not thoroughly cleanse herself from Romanism, Biblical patriarchy was only partially restored and polygamy is still considered an abomination. The Universal Church is still arrogant and piteously far from returning to her Hebraic Roots. She will, but only through much trials and tribulations before she is willing to let go of her sacred should-be monogamy calf. MARTIN LUTHER CHALLENGED SHOULD-BE MONOGAMY For political purposes, young Prince Philip of Hesse was arranged to marry the daughter of Duke George. This unhappy union led him to several affairs at later time, for which he felt so condemned that he refrained from the Lord's supper. He could have easily annulled his marriage through the Roman Catholic Church, which was a common procedure that would not have caused the slightest comment. But being an avowed Lutheran, he refused to consider this way out but instead considered to keep his first wife and marry another woman, a charming 17 years old Margaret von der Saale. After winning the girl's approval, he approached her mother who said, "We must not break God's laws!" Martin Luther and Melanchthon, a fellow reformer were consulted. After much consideration, with 7 other prominent men, a letter was jointly signed with the approval given, but he was told to keep it a secret. Philip lived with his 2 wives and had children through them. Soon the secret leaked out and the Reformation was placed in severe jeopardy.
Because the penalty for bigamy in the Holy Roman Empire was death, Prince Philip was forced to prostrate himself before Emperor Charles V and beg for his forgiveness. The scandal spread, and this added to Luther's depression. Melanchthon was so distraught that he could not eat or drink and later lost his memory. The irony of it all was that the emperor himself had illegitimate children all over Europe and the pope had legitimatized each one in order that they all might inherit titles and attain high office.
The Reformation is certainly not yet completed. There is much much more that needs to be done!
THE POWER BEHIND THE SHOULD-BE MONOGAMY Christianity was propagated from the Roman Empire into the West and from the West into the rest of the modern world. And wherever the gospel is preached, Roman monogamy was portrayed as God's only divine standard. Luther could not change it. There were too much to undo. But because the major part of the world is still unchristianized, there are actually much more societies of the world that are polygamous than monogamous. The wolf spirit behind the corrupt Romans still continues, out living the Roman Empire, and is manifesting itself, not just in the religious system of Roman Catholicism in Rome, and in the religious systems of Protestant Christianity, but also in the supremacy of Western culture, economy and technology. Thus the ambition of this spirit to conquer the world did not die with the Roman Empire, but continues into the supremacy of the Western world as she becomes the whore, whose wine the kings and the nations of the world are drunk with. She is the Jezebel of Revelation, the spirit of Babylon that lived through the ages. It is now in the Greco-Roman Worldview that is fast taking over the world. It is so transparently clear that there is no true gospel except in the Jesus that came through the Hebraic race, not just in race, but also in culture and interpretation. MONOGAMY AND THE MODERN WORLD "Should-be" monogamy never gained worldwide attention until the last few centuries. The should-be monogamy idea was not popular in previous generations, not until its strong uprising in the last 150 years or so. In fact, polygamy was still openly practiced in the last generation in non-western countries, and is today still practiced in modern societies, even though not so openly because of the outcry of the Western Feminism movement. How quickly the should-be monogamy concept has taken over, such that it makes polygamy appear sinful and wrong ever since the beginning. A worldwide ethnographic survey of 849 human societies show 708 whose customs are polygynous (more than 1 wife), 4 polyandrous (more than 1 husband) and 137 monogamous. Other than the religious and supremacy factors, there can be a few other reasons for this. MONOGAMY, FEMINISM AND HOMOSEXUALITY The next reason is that during the last war torn period and after, polygamy was badly abused by irresponsible men who had made it appear evil. The restoration of women's dignity and respect, giving them their "rightful liberation" and equality had automatically promoted monogamy to be the only right form of marriage, and polygamy since then was declared abusive and unworthy of a good respectable marriage. Supported by the deceived Church as good teaching and declared as the only right way of marriage instituted by the Holy God, this "truth" becomes law, not just among Catholics and Protestants, but also in modern societies. Alas, feminism has in recent years changed partner, now courting what I call Homogamy, which is homosexuality and lesbianism, relentlessly fighting for its legalization. Monogamy is fast becoming out of date. The passing fad seems quick to come and fast to go, and the poor church is presently being dragged into Homogamy. She had compromised once, why not twice? Thus the Church did not just commit spiritual adultery, but also spiritual lesbianism with Jezebel. Thus we see another logical trend. The more feminism is in power in a land, the more monogamous it is and the more it is swept over by homosexuality and lesbianism. The more patriarchal and polygamous the land, the least likely it is to be taken over by homosexuality and lesbianism.THE APPEAL OF MONOGAMY – EXCLUSIVENESS OF ROMANISM Another reason for the quick popularity of monogamy lies in the exclusive nature of the should-be monogamy form that is extremely appealing. But what exactly is the exclusive nature of this modern monogamy form? Dr Nathaniel Branden, an advocate and authority on the subject of romantic love, has well defined it in his book, Taking Responsibility, "Romantic love means finding a soul mate – someone whose values and sense of life mirror our own. We feel a drive to organize our life around this person and no one else. If someone says, 'I love you' in a romantic context, this what they are understood to be saying." This seems a good modern notion of romantic monogamy that we would all readily accept. The author has the good intention of bringing responsibility back into the decaying society. I respect him for that. But his writing has also given us some other unintended insights. In real modern day practice, monogamy is but the exaltation of free love and the justification of self-love. Possessiveness is not only condoned, but glorified. That's why it is so appealing. It readily satisfies the inner desire of a woman to possess her man exclusively, and the inner need of a man to please and idolize his woman completely above all other things, to be completely engrossed in her only. A candlelight dinner never fails to portray a very romantic moment. We say, "Oh! How romantic!". But how awfully unromantic it will be if another party is involved. For should-be monogamy to work, the elements of romantic exclusiveness must be involved. I am not saying that candlelight dinners and privacy are bad. But essentially, this reveal that the elements of the Roman spirit are nothing but exclusivity, possessiveness and idolatry. And such elements are perpetuated as dominant factors into all aspects of modern life of the should-be monogamy culture and this is where the failings begin. God and others are eventually out of place, the 2 persons involved finally imprison one another, thus marriages of such kind are open to destruction. Let's probe further.
We know by now that for sure, the origin of the should-be monogamy was not Biblical as assumed by many. It's definitely not from the biblical patriarchal fathers, as many of them were polygamous. It really was from Rome, where the whore of Babylon still rules to this day. This same book confirms this vital fact. It says, "Although in Western Europe, the idea of romantic love (in some sense) has had a long history, its acceptance as the proper basis of marriage has never been as widespread as it has been in America culture." He continues, " Why the United States? The answer, at least in part, is philosophical. What was distinctive about the American outlook and represented a radical break with its European past were its unprecedented commitment to political freedom, its individualism, its doctrine of individual rights, and, more specifically, its belief in a person's right to happiness here on earth. Both the individualism and the secularism of this country were essential for the idea of romantic love to take wide cultural root." It's now crystal clear where should-be monogamy originated and why it is so appealing to the human self. Historically, the Romans were known to be highly monogamous but kept mistresses and abused their maids and slaves, and were also known to be very sadistic in sports and love making. And we know in part, this characteristic has found its place in modern society.
This historical observation and social deduction are not wrong, for we can also see throughout the world that the more affluent, self-sufficient, self-centered, secular and individualistic the people are, the more romantically inclined and monogamous the society is. Should-be monogamy as righteousness is hollow, a placebo, a false consolation and a false truth for the self-seekers and the uninformed.
MONOGAMY AND ROMANTIC Even the word, Roman-tic tells us where should-be monogamy is from, the Roman culture and the Roman Empire which is Western Europe, where values contradict biblical standards. And we can be so blind as not to see it before our eyes when we read the word Roman-tic, and yet we expound and exalt it at every wedding and declared it as holiness at every pulpit! To be very romantic is to be very Roman. To be very Roman is to be very anti-patriarchy and very anti-God. As a minister myself, I woke up one day to this very rude shock. We are still under the power of the Roman Kingdom (which was the last kingdom of the statue as seen by Nebuchadnezzar), even thought it had collapsed. But the church is still under that power and is still not yet into the Kingdom of the Rock that was not made with hands!MONOGAMY, ROMANISM, ROMAN CATHOLISM Looking at the name, practices and ordinances of the Roman Catholic Church, where polygamy is never to be tolerated, it would be blind not to see that the culture of Rome had become the culture of the Roman Catholic Church. It is also clear that the medieval society and the modern world are the children of the Roman Empire. The medieval society was a hodgepodge of customs, language, laws and attitudes taken from the late great Roman Empire, with some Germanic admixture and has now shaped our modern world. Both the medieval world and our own world are very much descended from Rome. By the 14th century, much of the Roman influence was no longer obvious, the culture of Rome had become the culture of the Roman Catholic Church. Some educated commoners who look beneath the surface could find the Roman roots of the many institutions of medieval culture. But the Romans are now ancient history and what they had left behind had been well tended to by the Christian clerics. And today we still live in the shadows of a culture the Romans began creating 2800 years ago.MONOGAMY AND PROTESTANTISM What about the Protestant world? With America drinking it all in and taking the lead, "civilized" nations swallowed the Romans' doctrine of love, digested it into her religious system, namely Christianity, and exported it with the Gospel as a total package for living. Alas, wherever the Gospel went, the whole package was received and swallowed without question as total Gospel truth. Thus the true Biblical Gospel which God has ordained to be rooted in the Middle Eastern patriarchal culture is deceptively suppressed and replaced with one that is adulterated by a heathen Roman culture. There will always be some tolerable societal differences in all parts of the world, but the ways of God were defined and taught in the Biblical patriarchal setting of our forefathers where polygamy was not just tolerated, but accepted. But the western Gospel is romantically and not patriarchally inclined, thus it is actually not just anti-polygamy but also in truth, anti-patriarchy. This is why the Old Testament seems to contain many passages of polygamy and patriarchy that cannot be expounded by western Protestant Christianity and this is where her blindness and powerlessness lie. THE CONCLUSION History brings forth a conclusive evidence. The enforced should-be monogamy, no matter how much it is sanctioned legally or socially, or how righteous it is portrayed religiously, it was never originated from the Scriptures, and has never been set as the only standard for marriage by God. It originated from the pagan Romans that had and are still overtaking the world under the modern title, Greco Roman Worldview.
Like I mentioned earlier, the Reformation is certainly not yet completed. There is much much more to be done. In fact the worst is yet to be undone!
Joanne Yarrish: Women lobby at the state capitol to defend the practice of polygamy, claiming bills that try to prohibit the practice are discriminatory. View video
For your site; I get alot of questions about "blacks" participating in polygamy so I made a playlist of black Muslims, Hebrew Israelites and "Nubianz" (pro-black people that don't really deal with the Bible, but are polygynous for societal reasons).
In Indonesia a political row has flared over the taboo topic of polygamy, after Indonesia's President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono was accused of being secretly married. Despite being the world's largest Muslim nation, polygamy is forbidden by law for government officials.
Because of all the Poly video players on our page has cost us a large time lag in opening up our page, we now host them in a blog page. Only a small part of our video are hosted in this page, but many more can be found in another media page linked here: MISC. POLY VIDEOS and Audio Files
Because of all the Supernatural video players on our page has cost us a large time lag in opening up our page, we now host them in a blog page. Only a small part of our video are hosted in this page, but many more can be found in another media page linked here: More Supernatural Videos
This is the address to the live home page: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/great-florida-healing-revival.
After surviving severe burns resulting from an airplane crash while skydiving, Mickey Robinson had a "Death's Door" experience and spiritual rebirth that radically changed his life. The Glory Cloud of God
by a daughter of polygyny As a young daughter of polygyny, I wish to share with others what polygyny has brought to my life. Inshallah I can help erase some of the fears many sisters today have associated with polygyny and I hope to bring to light the many benefits that exist when polygyny is practiced the way Allah(T) instructed us to through the example of our beloved Prophet(S). I am not involved in a polygynous marriage (or even married as a matter of fact); however, I have witnessed it first hand as a child and young adult al hamdulillah. To start off, I would like to tell a little about myself. My mother became Muslim when I was a young child. In the beginning it wasnÕt very easy for me. I watched my mom go from being a very ÒcoolÓ, modernized mom to a very conservative one. It started with the clothing. She went from wearing mini-skirts to longer pants, skirts and long sleeve blouses and the headscarf (hijab). Eventually she made the transition into a jilbab (overgarment), and, now Mashallah she even wears niqab. All of this didnÕt happen overnight either- it took several years.
One of the other things that changed my life dramatically was that my mom decided to homeschool me and stopped me from hanging out with my non-Muslim friends. Now I can tell you that I rebelled in the beginning; however, it was really one of the best things that could have happened to me. In fact, many of the girls I attended school with either had babies or abortions (astaghfirillah) by the 7th and 8th grade. I was even watching television a few weeks ago and I saw a young girl on the news that was arrested. I couldnÕt believe she was my classmate in the 6th grade. She is now 18 years old with 3 children. The youngest child, 5 months old, she almost beat to death! (La Hawla wa La Quwatillah billahi). It brought tears to my eyes. Al hamdulillah Islam has protected me and preserved my dignity and honor! (Thank you, Mom, and most of all, thanks be to Allah!)
When I was 12 years old I made my first committment to Allah. I decided I would start to wear hijab and never to remove it inshallah. It was really hard at first because most of my family members arenÕt Muslim and they didnÕt like it at all! They thought I was being brainwashed and couldnÕt understand that I wanted to do it to please Allah(T). Eventually, our own family members could no longer handle us being Muslim and disowned us. (If only they could see me now in my own niqab!) I never thought that they would desert us in a million years - I once had a very close relationship with my grandmother. Al hamdulillah, however this has brought me even closer to my mom because we only had each other.
My 12th year was also the year my mom married my step-father. (He is really more like a real father to me- as he has done more for me than my real father ever did). At first when they got married I was really upset and slightly jealous. I was used to having my mom to myself and I didnÕt want to share her with anyone- especially another man! In the past I had witnessed my mom struggling through an abusive marriage and meaningless relationships- always getting hurt! I could not bear to watch my mom go through what i thought was just going to be more pain. Although I begged her not to, she married him anyways! and alhamdulillah she did! Allah has such great plans for us - which we are rarely aware of at the time!"
My mom and I have always been very close and have shared practically everything. She never kept anything from me. From the beginning she told me the truth about their marriage and the fact that he has another wife and children. Honestly, I couldnÕt believe she would settle for being a second wife! She had even had other requests for marriage from men who were not currently married - some had never even been married at all! I felt that she must have developed a low self-image of herself or something! I kept asking her (and myself) how could this be right for us!?
Well,several years later, (to make a really long story short) let me finally share with you what polygyny has brought to my life!
Polygyny gave me a father figure (my own dad has never been a part of my life) and gave my mom a wonderful caring husband (like she has never had before). It gave us security and stability - abundant food and a nice home. Al hamdulillah!
It enabled my mom to stay home with me, help me with my studies, and spend more time learning about Islam. My mom no longer has to put up with the harrassment at work and she no longer has to deal with any obnoxious men! Al hamdulillah!
Polygyny gave me a family- a really big one- to replace the family we lost! And this time, our family loves us FOR our Islam- al hamdullillah. It also gave my mom a cowife (best friend, sister, and teacher all packaged in one). With that, it also gave her more children to love who also love her in return- what she always wanted almost more than anything else.
But most of all, polygyny has given us an opportunity of a brighter future, full of love and happiness! What we once longed for -but never had. That is.... what polygyny....has given....me! (by AllahÕs will of course, Al hamdulillah! (Takbir!- AllahuAkbar!!!)
When you deny yourself the pleasure of enjoying something you have by dwelling on something you do not have, you are a robber. You are robbing yourself of the joy and pleasure of enjoying, appreciating and being grateful for what you do have.
"The sin of envy carries with it an immediate penalty -- an available pleasure is taken from you." MMF Early To Rise
Are you 100% sure your marriage is rock solid and unshakeable? If you have any doubts about that and you don't want to lose the wonderful wife you already have, you may want to forget about telling your wife at all about your desires of having another wife.
At first it is very difficult for a woman to understand or accept. This society is a monogamy only "Romanised" society. It isn't in the thought processes of the general populace to think of polygamy as acceptable.
My wife went through quite a few days of turmoil and struggled with the idea for a few months at least. She's an exceptional woman. In the 3 years or so since we first studied the subject we've seen men insist on polygamy for their lives and end up with no wife at all.
I have no idea of how to approach this subject without causing an amazing amount of pain for your wife either. I can share with you what I did but that may not work for you. Some people think I'm crazy for how and when I did it.
I will tell you that when I brought it up I told my wife it was probably a crazy idea and I would do a word study on it and I would probably find out it was wrong and that would be it. I wouldn't even think about it anymore after that. I just set the idea aside but she kept after me to study it for several days. I finally did and was that ever an eye opener for both of us.
Then she got worried and nervous. She started studying herself. She had never known how to use a concordance before that, now she does. he he
She studied and dug. Then she got on the internet to do research too. When it was all said and done she had to be honest with herself about it. There is nothing wrong with it from a Scriptural standpoint.
My wife saw through the false arguments against it too. Some women will grasp those false arguments because they can't face the idea of polygamy due to jealousy which comes from insecurity.
From this you can understand that you must make sure your wife is EXTREMELY, 100% secure in your love before you would ever mention polygamy. Then you better make sure she stays secure in your love throughout the rest of your life.
I've heard of men saying stupid things like they don't have anything to live for if they can't have another wife etc. That is being manipulative and doesn't make the wife feel the least bit secure. IT IS SELF DEFEATING IF THEY REALLY WANT POLYGAMY!
Don't tell her she has a choice to let you do this or she can leave or any such arrogant sorts of things. It won't help your case at all. Any statement that makes her feel insecure will only serve to hurt you.
I hope something I've said will help you in some way. I hope you are man enough to let the idea go if your wife simply cannot deal with it. You did marry her with the understanding of monogamy too. Did your vows include, "forsaking all others?" Mine did not. My wife even dug out the audio tape of our wedding to listen carefully to see if they were.
One thing to remember is that you need to be a man of your word to gain and keep her respect. If you blow it, it will do much damage to your relationship.
Now for the cool part. It is almost impossible to find a second woman in today's society who is: 1. Interested in you personally as a man 2. Willing to accept and live in a polygamous marriage 3. Is someone who will get along with you and your wife harmoniously.
We've been looking/waiting for the right lady for 3 plus years now. I still have one wife. Some men who have embarked on this journey carelessly and stubbornly have no wife after less time. Some of them have children who think they're crazy and they don't respect their father anymore.
Please consider all of the downfalls before jumping headlong into this.
If you do decide to talk about this with your wife, speak to her gently and lovingly. Help her through it and let her know you would never want to be without her no matter what.
Stay completely honest and never hide anything from her. You'll have to be honest with yourself and your own emotions too.
Anyway, I hope I've been of some help. Feel free to write if you have questions.
In His service, David
P.S Consider the marriage you already have as most important of anything.
Women who are interested in polygamy want a loving man who isn't forcing polygamy on their first wife. If they see the first sign of it, or jealousy in your wife they won't be around. If you make the marriage and family you have now something other women would want to be part of you may have a chance.
Polygamy will cause you to stretch to be a better man, husband and father.
By Tim Harford Posted Saturday, Feb. 18, 2006, at 2:27 AM ET
After more than a decade of war between separatist rebels and the Russian army, there are not many marriageable men to go around in Chechnya. So, acting Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov, probably not a feminist, proposed a radical step: "Each man who can provide for four wives should do it."
Polygyny (having more than one wife, as opposed to polygamy, which is having more than one spouse) is admissible under Islamic law but not Russian law, so Kadyrov is unlikely to make much progress with his proposal. But what difference would such a law make? It's natural to assume that polygyny is bad for women, partly because most of us would rather have our spouse to ourselves, and partly because we look at a place like Saudi Arabia, where polygyny is not uncommon, and note that women aren't even allowed to drive.
I'm not quite so convinced. A lot of the knee-jerk reactions against polygyny are from people who can't add up. In a society with equal numbers of men and women, each man with four wives gives women the additional pick of three men—the poor saps whose potential wives decided they'd prefer one-quarter of a billionaire instead. In the Sahel region of Africa, half of all women live in polygynous households. The other half have a good choice of men and a lot more bargaining power.
It's hardly surprising that in most polygynous societies, the bride's family gets large payments in exchange for her hand in marriage. If polygyny combined with women's rights, I bet we'd see more promises to wash the dishes. Not everybody would have to share a husband, but I can think of some who might prefer half of Orlando Bloom to all of Tim Harford—including my wife.
In a society such as Chechnya, where there is a shortage of young men, we would expect the reverse effect: Men get to pick and choose, playing the field, perhaps not bothering to get married at all. We don't have good data on Chechnya, but we have excellent information about an unexpected parallel.
A little over one in 100 American men are in prison—but there are several states where one in five young black men are behind bars. Since most women marry men of a similar age, and of the same race and in the same state, there are some groups of women who face a dramatic shortfall of marriage partners.
Economist Kerwin Charles has recently studied the plight of these women. Their problem is not merely that some who would want to marry won't be able to. It's that the available men—those not in prison—suddenly have more bargaining power. Goodbye to doing the dishes and paying the rent; hello to mistresses and wham, bam, thank you ma'am. The women whose potential partners have had their ranks thinned by prison are less likely to marry, and when they do marry, are likely to marry a man less educated than they are. Meanwhile, the remaining men, finding a surfeit of marriage partners, suddenly seem in no hurry to marry. And why would they?
The women's response makes sense: girl power. The women affected do everything to make the most of single life, including staying at school for longer and hunting for more paid work. The American prison system hasn't left them much choice.
When men are taken out of the marriage market by war or by prison, women suffer. The reverse is probably true, too: When women are taken from the marriage market, men suffer. In China, the policy of one-child families coupled with selective abortion of girls has produced "surplus" males. Such men are called "bare branches," and China could have 30 million of them by 2020. Perhaps polyandry—women with multiple husbands—would be the logical response to the situation in China. What will happen instead is that these lonely, wifeless men will end up sleeping with a relatively small number of women—prostitutes—with severe risks of sexually transmitted disease all around.
All this suggests that Kadyrov has a point about Chechnya. And perhaps the new HBO series Big Love will help to rehabilitate polygamy's reputation in the United States. Nevertheless, I am resolutely against the practice of allowing several women to marry one man. We men are downtrodden enough already.
The Undercover Economist appears on Saturdays in the Financial Times Magazine.
GENEVA (AP) - Saudi Arabia should end the practice of polygamy because it runs counter to the principle of equality between the sexes, a U.N. committee on women's rights said Friday. The nonbinding recommendation was made in a nine-page report by the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women, which last month invited Saudi officials to discuss the kingdom's compliance with a U.N. charter on women's rights that the country ratified in 2000. The committee also said the kingdom should introduce a minimum age of marriage, end the custom of male guardianship for women and take steps to eliminate violence against females. The situation of women in Saudi Arabia came under renewed international scrutiny last year when a rape victim was sentenced to lashes and jail time for being in a car with a man who was not her relative. The woman was later pardoned by Saudi's King Abdullah. Saudi Arabia's strict interpretation of Islamic law gives men and women different rights with respect to education, marriage and participation in public life. Not all of the restrictions are based on formal laws, but customs such as the prohibition on women driving are nevertheless widespread for cultural reasons. Saudi officials told the committee last month that the kingdom was taking measures to address numerous issues, from domestic violence to promoting education and job opportunities for women. But the officials said the country would not be able to adhere to a number of aspects of the U.N. charter because they run contrary to Islamic Sharia law, which is the basis of all legislation in the country. Under Sharia law, men are permitted to have up to four wives, and gay relationships are forbidden. The U.N. panel said Saudi Arabia should clarify whether it accepts that international law takes precedence over domestic legislation, and ensure that the protection of women is firmly enshrined in the country's constitution and everyday court decisions. The U.N. special investigator for violence against women, Yakin Erturk, is due to visit the kingdom from Feb. 4-13 to gather information about violence against women in the country.
Augustine and Luther spoke out against the Roman Catholic Church concerning their legalistic views of polygamy which are similar to the Protestant, reformed, evangelical, and fundamentalist, views held today. I would agree with Augustine and Luther on some of their observations on polygamy, but I only wished that they would have done more in the area of exegesis on this topic. Here are some quotes from Augustine:
ÒThat the holy fathers of olden times after Abraham, and before him, to whom God gave His testimony that "they pleased Him," [Heb. 11:4-6] thus used their wives, no one who is a Christian ought to doubt, since it was permitted to certain individuals amongst them to have a plurality of wives, where the reason was for the multiplication of their offspring, not the desire of varying gratification. . . . In the advance, however, of the human race, it came to pass that to certain good men were united a plurality of good wives, --- many to each; and from this it would seem that moderation sought rather unity on one side for dignity, while nature permitted plurality on the other side for fecundity. For on natural principles it is more feasible for one to have dominion over many, than for many to have dominion over one.Ó (A Select Library of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of The Christian Church, Vol. 5,p. 267)
"But those who have not the virtues of temperance must not be allowed to judge the conduct of holy men, any more than those in fever of the sweetness and wholesomeness of food. . . If our critics, then, wish to attain not a spurious and affected, but a genuine and sound moral health, let them find a cure in believing the Scripture record, that the honorable name of saint is given not without reason to men who had several wives; and that the reason is this, that the mind can exercise such control over the flesh as not to allow the appetite implanted in our nature by Providence to go beyond the limits of deliberate intention. . . .the holy patriarchs in their conjugal intercourse were actuated not by the love of pleasure, but by the intelligent desire for the continuance of their family. . . .nor did the number of their wives make the patriarchs licentious. But why defend the husbands, to whose character the divine word bears the highest testimony. . . ." [emphasis MJS] (Ibid., Vol. 4; p.290).
"The only reason of its being a crime now to do this, is because custom and the laws forbid it. Whoever despises these restraints, even though he uses his wives only to get children, still commits sin, and does an injury to human society itself, for the sake of which it is that the procreation of children is required. In the present altered state of customs and laws, men can have no pleasure in a plurality of wives, except from an excess of lust; and so the mistake arises of supposing that no one could ever have had many wives but from sensuality and the vehemence of sinful desires. Unable to form an idea of men whose force of mind is beyond their conception, they compare themselves with themselves, as the apostle says [2 Cor. x. 12], and so make mistakes.
Conscious that, in their intercourse though with one wife only, they are often influenced by mere animal passion instead of an intelligent motive, they think it an obvious inference that, if the limits of moderation are not observed where there is only one wife, the infirmity must be aggravated where there are more than one.". [emphasis MJS] (ibid., pg. 289) "But here there is no ground for a criminal accusation: for a plurality of wives was no crime when it was the custom; and it is a crime now, because it is no longer the custom. There are sins against nature, and sins against custom, and sins against the laws.
As regards nature, [Jacob] used the women not for sensual gratification, but for the procreation of children. For custom, this was the common practice at that time in those countries. And for the laws, no prohibition existed. The only reason of its being a crime now to do this, is because custom and the laws forbid it. (Ibid. p.289).
Augustine was correct in pointing out that Godly men in the Bible were not driven or motivated by the ÒfleshÓ or sinful passions to have more than one wife. This is simply one of many unproved presuppositions that many make of polygamy that are void of exegetical support.
Ruth Stubbs four years later
