A New Cult
Current mood: argumentative
Category: Religion and Philosophy

All of us have had our share of nutcase Christian friend requests and hatemail. Here is my most recent - and it is hilarious.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfmfuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=76637546 

Dear Fellow Warriors of the Kingdom,

We have had quite a few of you ask us how you can aid our cause! The number one way that you can help us is to wear our t-shirts and stand up for truth and holiness in your schools. The goal of our ministry is that the Church would become an offensive force in the world, and that as Jesus said "we would prevail against the very gates of Hell." So Live Offensively! Remember it's the offense that wins the football game or the war. In the same way it is the Christian Offense that will carry the gospel to whole earth.

First of all we covet your prayers…Pray for protection of our vehicles, and our lives. Pray that we would continue to have the strength to die to ourselves and be willing to lay down our lives for the calling that we have received.

We need you to get the word out for us. By just putting our MySpace in your top spaces you will be helping others find us and our cause. Make sure you tell people about our website: www.LiveOffensively.com

If you are an artist we would love to have you help us develop new graphics and t-shirts. For real we need you. We also would love to hear any t-shirt ideas that you have for us.

Strength and Honor,

Joe Baker

Huh? This sounds strangely familiar - didn't the Heaven's Gate cult consider their bodies "vehicles"? Didn't Jim Jones urge his followers to "lay down their lives" for Gawd? Ugh. So it's come to this. The Live Offensively cult.

So, Joe Baker, is myspace your new recruiting tool? Do you plan to hop on the next passing comet or just pass the spiked kool-aid? Yes, this is offensive. If it is all right for you over-the-top, brainwashed Bible thumpers to wear this ridiculous garb to your schools, then it ought to be acceptable for other kids to wear their Anton LeVey t-shirts - or maybe Aleister Crowley - or perhaps *gasp* Satan himself.

I must ask, what are you people so afraid of? Why isn't your own faith enough? Why must you torture others with your silly beliefs? Why do I receive friend request after friend request from manic Christians, but not from people of other faiths? Why do I receive hatemail from you Christ addicts? I wonder if you see that this is a sickness.

Reverend AtheiStar recently told an annoying Christian:  "I don't have any 'Christ-shaped hole.' I'm perfectly content. I'm sure that's disturbing for you to contemplate. But that's because you're an addict. You're transposing your Imaginary Friend Addiction on me. No thanks. I don't want to hit your gawd pipe. I'm clean and happy." (see Matt's blog "Atheist = Alone?")

Seriously. Believe what you like - but keep it to yourselves and leave us the fuck alone.

Currently listening : Holy Dio: Tribute To Ronnie James Dio By Various Artists Release date: 25 January, 2000

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Are you kidding me?!
Current mood: amused
Category: Religion and Philosophy

It's always something. Something to ruin my mood, something to irritate me, something to piss me off. (Or perhaps I have simply become too sensitive or to cynical or too much of a bitch…?)

Today was no different.

As I wandered into a drugstore this afternoon, my mind locked in thoughts of the holidays and gifts and shopping and lists and family, I was yanked from the inside of my mind by a man standing at a table covered with rows of candy bars. A large, hand-scrawled sign: Donations for such-and-such Church. Now I am always throwing money into buckets, pulling over to hand a homeless guy a few bucks for lunch, or handing over a cigarette to some poor sap who doesn't have two nickels to rub together, but I refuse to give any money to any church. Period. Who are they kidding? I've seen the buildings they manage to build, I've seen the cars the preachers drive, I've seen the taxes they don't pay. As I walked by, the man asked if I would like to donate, as if I were somehow unable to read his sign. No, I told him politely. He then said, "Love your car!" I thanked him, wished him Happy Holidays, and continued on.

That should have been the end of it. But it wasn't.

As I left the drugstore not five minutes later, I was confronted again – just as I got to the car he had only moments ago commented on.

"Good day, again, m'am, would you like to donate to our church?"

Oh my fucking mighty Mithra!

Why was he asking again? He JUST asked me. Then I understood. The first time he asked, I'd been alone. No one around to hear me say no, and now there were other people around. This is the game: guilt me into a few dollars. As a woman in front of me closed her wallet, having given a few bucks to his worthy cause, I stopped to see if he was, indeed, talking to me. He was.

"We've already had this discussion," I said, and waited for him to respond.

He was taken aback, not expecting anything but the exchange of some cash and a candy bar. The woman closing her wallet turned her head to look at me, astonished, wide-eyed.

"What makes you think my answer is any different than it was 5 minutes ago? If I refused to donate my money to your mythology once, why would you ask me again? To see if I'd changed my mind? Or to see if you could guilt me into a few bucks?"

Of course, eye-rolling and audible 'hmphs' from the generous woman ensued as she slowly walked away.

I took my time getting into my car, while the theist beggar glared at me.

Unbelievable.

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Aw...poor Docta Dave!
Current mood: amused
Category: Religion and Philosophy

I was just scrolling through the popular religion blogs when I found this one by a theist named Docta Dave at number 37:

Two days ago, I found a brief moment to sit and thumb through a magazine.  For some reason, I get a free subscripton to "Gameinformer" magazine.  After leafing through, I came to the very back page which had a wonderful looking Dell XPS computer.  I love Dell computers, and am currently in the market for a "killer" machine for my businesses.  As I read the ad, my heart sank.  The headline of the ad said, "In the real world, Goliath wins."  Not only do I own a Dell, and recommend Dells, but I resale Dell's through my computer business.  Well, not any more.  Basically, Dell, through an ad, just told me that they believe that the Bible is a fairy tale.  Since a company decided to tell me that all I live for is a myth, I can no longer support that company in any way.

If you agree with me, please, join me in boycotting Dell.  I want to demand an appology from them for the ad.  Please, let me know how you feel about this.  My God is worth boycotting a company over.  What say you?

And...he is serious. This is what happens when people become twisted with religion: the real world no longer exists for them, and when the real world crashes into their neat little world of myth, the ability to reason disappears. Yes, let's all start boycotting the real world - maybe we can go back to living by the rules of an ancient book of mythology: we can own slaves, stone people to death for working on Sundays, build arks, punish women who are raped, murder homosexuals, talk to animals, and turn people to salt. YES! Exactly where the world needs to be.

Currently listening : Oranges & Lemons By XTC Release date: 14 May, 2002

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Mistaken for a Christian??
Current mood: giggly
Category: Religion and Philosophy

I just can not resist - I MUST share this with you guys...

So....how many times have you stepped onto my page and thought for a minute that I am a Christian? Did any of you have to search my page to find atheist indicators? Was there any confusion whatsoever about where I stand on religion?

This is hilarious - see the message below I received from a myspace friend regarding my technique of debate and how he thought I was a Christian. I guess all of the atheist garb dressing up my profile escaped him?

Hi, Coexist:

You and I spoke on several ocasions last year when you sent me a friends request. I saw your bulletin on the bible last night and visted your blog. I've gotta tell you I didn't know you were an atheist--Personally I don't care one way or another, but I thought you might like to her an objective opinion of what I'm seeing. I thought when you wrote to me last year that you were a christian--and again lasts night whe I read your blog.
Something in the way you ague makes you sound exactly like that against which you are arguing.

I had to look at your religion section on your homepage to realize you are an athiest. I'm telling you this because you may not be aware of of it--and I want to tell you that I don't mean to offend you...From the point of view of someone who is neither athiest nor Christian you sound very much like the very Christians you detest: the anger, the self righteousness, all of that Bible quoting and stuff. I have learned in my life that when you spend your time arguing so vehemently against soemthing it's because that something has got its hooks into you. I think--again this is just an impression I get as an impartial obsever who saw your bulletin last night--if you give up the anger against religion you may realy discover some powerful transformative energy within you releasing itself into your life.

I'd like to thank you for this too--because you've bee a mirror that has made me aware of smilar tendencies in myself. I'm realizing that what they believe is not important. And remember this--(I used to teach rhetoric)--You can use any source to support any argument. I used to do it all of the time with my students.

It doesn't matter how loudly you scream-they won't listen to you.

Peace

And my response:

Hi,

I'm sorry....what?

Seriously. You thought I was a Christian? One has only to spend a few moments on my page to realize there is no god here.

You bet I'm angry, but I maintain a sense of self-control, patience, and reason throughout. I think you are mistaking my Dawkins-ism as 'religion having its hooks in me'. Interesting. And as for my arguing style in any way resembling those which I argue against, uh, wow, to that I take great offense. Ignorance has never been my forte, and I don't think you will find it anywhere in my blogs. My style of debating has been honed with years of practice and education. Resemble blind-faithers? Mmmm...don't think so. Quote the Bible? You bet I do, because I can, and because it is so frequently used by theists as a kind of weapon. I wield it more forcefully and more accurately.

You don't visit many atheist blogs, do you?

You're right: I don't need to scream to make them listen. I never scream. But they do listen. Sometimes it makes them think, contemplate, research, examine - other times it simply makes them angry. Either way, I am doing my part to put ancient Jewish mythology and Yahweh where they belong: on a bookshelf next to Zeus, Krishna, Horus, Mithra, Thor, and the other thousands of gods man has created.

Transformative energy?

~Kelly

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Beating a dead horse...
Current mood: annoyed
Category: Religion and Philosophy

I hate to beat a dead horse, but after blog-stalking way too many completely inane Christians, I became a little annoyed. I then started rereading some of my own, when something struck me. And so I grabbed my Bible, shuffled through, reading my own notes – and found what I was looking for.

That Yahweh…those Christians…so full of predictable contradictions.

A while back, a Christian friend and I were back-and-forthing about her God's immutability. He never changes, she said. He never changes? I asked. Right, she answered. Does that mean he never changes his mind? I asked, which led to a blog. She later emailed me to let me know that she had never said that her God doesn't change his mind – only that he never changes.

Interesting. Now I'm not picking on anyone specifically, but have you ever noticed how the answers they give depend upon the context in which the questions are presented? It's almost like they aren't really sure…and that they are making it up as they go.

I Samuel 15:29

"Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He is not human that He should change His mind."

So…which is it? Seems to me that lots of Christians just create a brand of Christianity that suits them, regardless what their God and their book tell them. You either know and understand your religion completely or you don't. If you don't, then stop pretending that you do. Grab the book and get to reading. If, perhaps, you justify your new brand of Christianity by "reinterpreting" the 'Word': Stop it. Your God told you back in Deuteronomy that the words in the Bible are HIS – you can neither add to them nor take away from them. Period.

Get ready – we are about to see some back-pedaling.

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Self-proclaimed Christian murders his friend, an Atheist
Current mood: angry
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Thank you, Barbara and TPO for posting this. For those of you out there who believe that I am a paranoid atheist or that things really aren't as bad as they seem, I encourage you to read the article below.

Not the most hated group in America? The fuck if we aren't.

THE MURDER OF LARRY HOOPER

By Arlene-Marie

December 20, 2005
(Edited for punctuation and clarity.)

http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Murdered_for_being_an_atheist

On October 18, 2004, Arthur Shelton, a self described Christian and Eagle Scout, murdered his friend and roommate, Larry Hooper, because Hooper didn't believe in God.

On December 18, 2005, after many months of postponements, Arthur Shelton, with his defense attorney, Seymour Swartz, appeared at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice in Detroit, Michigan, before Judge Gregory D. Bill to face charges of murder in the first degree brought by Assistant Prosecuting Attorney, Christina Guiruis.

The trial began with the taped phone call Arthur Shelton placed to the Taylor police department in Taylor, Michigan, October 18, 2004, at precisely 12:44 AM. Shelton sounded calm and pridefull when he told the dispatcher he had just shot "the devil himself" with a revolver and a shotgun because "he (Hooper) didn't believe in God." Shelton told the dispatcher he was "still armed and ready to shoot again in case he moves. I want to make sure he's gone." When the dispatcher asked how many times he shot the victim Shelton replied, "hopefully enough."

Throughout the 15 minute phone call Shelton often repeated, "I'm a Christian and an Eagle Scout and I wouldn't lie," and "don't worry about me, I'm fine, but he's the devil." The dispatcher struggled to persuade Shelton to lay down his weapon and go outdoors with his arms raised. Shelton resisted, as he feared Hooper might not be "dead enough", but eventually complied.

Dead enough was an understatement. When the police arrived they were confronted with the grizzly scene of Hooper sitting upright on the couch with his head blown away and his brain laying on his hand. The autopsy report presented by the prosecutor was gruesome to be sure, but, for the record, Larry Hooper tested negative for all narcotics and alcohol.

Testimony by the arresting officer and the officers transporting Shelton to the police station revealed that while the officers were interested in gathering details about the incident, Shelton was obsessed with talking about God, the Eagle Scouts and stating he "would not talk to anyone who didn't believe in God but that he would talk to the police because he felt they believed in God."

On the second day of the trial the court played the videotape of the late night interrogation with Arthur Shelton. He appeared calm, cooperative and enjoyed the cookies and milk he was served. Once again Arthur was obsessed about talking about God and the Eagle Scouts. He stated he "was not sorry for a second that he killed Hooper." He stated, "In the eyes of the law I was wrong and will probably spend the rest of my life in prison, but in the eyes of God I have killed an evil person -- the devil himself." And when Arthur took the witness stand in his own defense he reiterated much of the same ideas.

Day three of the trial we heard summary arguments. The defense had little problem proving that Arthur is obsessed with religion, God and Eagle Scouts and pleaded for a verdict of not guilty due to insanity. The prosecution had little problem proving that Arthur was competent, knew the difference between right and wrong and called for a verdict of guilty of murder in the first degree. As this was a wavered trial Judge Bill rendered his verdict quickly -- guilty of second-degree murder with mental illness.

On December 19, 2005, we returned to Judge Bill's court to witness sentencing of Arthur Shelton. The prosecution asked for the 'high end' of punishment - 25 to 45 years, while the defense was still pleading for not guilty due to insanity or, at the very most, a soft sentence at the 'low end' of punishment 15 to 22 years. Judge Bill invited Shelton to make a statement and after fumbling for words Shelton stated he was sorry that Larry was dead but he did a job that had to be done. He stated that he actually, "saw fire and smoke coming from Larry's eyes and knew he was the devil himself."

Judge Bill proceeded to tenderly read letters written to him from Shelton's family members pleading for leniency. Shelton sat facing the audience and blew kisses to his tearful and sometimes sobbing family. In the end, the now stern-faced Judge Bill pronounced sentencing -- 25 to 45 years. Shelton was stunned and tried to negotiate the sentence stating, "I'm 50 years old and that is as good as a life sentence." Judge Bill responded, "Mr. Shelton you gave Larry Hooper a life sentence by committing one of the most heinous murders to come before my court." (In a private conversation, the prosecutor, Ms Guirguis, explained that Michigan law requires that Shelton must serve 25 years before being eligible for parole.)

I add now a disgusting chain of events that took place in the courtroom, the hallways, the lobby of the court building, the staircase outside of the courthouse and even the ladies bathroom. George Shiffer and myself attended day one of the trial. Upon arrival we were asked who we were and I gave the court my American Atheist business card. Word that we were Atheists traveled fast in this court room that offered very limited seating and the only others in attendance were 11 members of Shelton's family who immediately began taunting George and me with "the people from hell, evil, and devils." At breaks they waited for us in the hall and continued with more of the same while adding "God loves you" and blowing us kisses and shoving their crosses (worn on chains around their necks) in our faces. Several of the women even followed me into the bathroom and did their best to intimidate me with their crosses. Through it all George and I never flinched, but at the conclusion of the day I reported this taunting to the Officer of the Court who admitted that they were aware of the problem and escorted us to the elevator, past and to the disappointment of the waiting group of 'good Christians'.

On Day two when George and I, together with Joe Milon, entered the court room the taunting began immediately. Within an hour the Judge announced that those making gestures and faces had better cease or they would be removed. For the balance of the day the Christians wore their neck crosses on their backs, as we were seated in the back row, while constantly flopping them about with their hand. When we returned from lunch (without court escort) the Christians were waiting for us on the seventh floor and lunged at us with small signs they had painted -- 'Jesus lives', 'God loves you' -- and, again, thrusted their crosses within 2 or 3 inches from our noses. Tempers flared and a brief shouting match began. Brief because the court officers were there in a flash.

Day three found Atheist Lee Helms in the same taunted position of the previous days though he was not known to the court or the Christians. At the conclusion of the day an officer of the court detained him stating they have been having trouble with 'those people' (Christians) and escorted him to the elevators.

Even with all that behind us, December 19th, the day of sentencing, was still a horrific experience for myself, George Shiffer, Joe Milon, Lee Helms and Marty Maier. When leaving the courtroom the 'Christian' Shelton family lay in wait for us in the hallway. Their tears dried, they surrounded us shouting these comments: "The one good thing of all of this is that another Atheist is dead and the world is better off for it" and "The only good Atheist is a dead Atheist."

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The Irony ...
Current mood: calm
Category: Religion and Philosophy

I am simply seeking an answer that is rational.

A while back, I asked one of my theist friends why, if God "does not change based on anything that happens to anyone, anywhere, at anytime" (her words), do people pray? If God is omniscient and he never changes his mind, then what benefit can be had from prayer? And if he is omnipotent and still does not change based on anything that happens, then in what way is this a merciful God? He has the power to stop someone from being tortured and murdered, yet he does not. He has the power to stop a child from suffering from and ultimately dying of cancer, but he will not lift a finger? This is very puzzling to me.

And to take it a step further, theists are constantly budging up against science. Many refuse to believe in the big bang, the age of the earth, and evolution, insisting instead on Creationism and biblical fallacies. Yet, you will find theists using science when they need to – when it comes to their health. Why? Why not just pray? I find it incredibly ironic that people in hospitals pray. And if the malady is taken care of, you find them praising God for answering their prayers. But it was really science, wasn't it? Prayer was clearly not enough. If I am wrong, please help me understand.

And how is it that the science they abhor when it is used to disprove something they hold dear is the very science they will cling to if it seems to point in the right direction for them. If believing in God and in the Bible is based entirely on faith, then why do we see groups of theists trying to find Noah's Ark? Or trying to prove the existence of Jesus? And how are they attempting to find these things? Why, through the science of archaeology, of course.

 It all comes back to science, doesn't it.

Currently listening : Scarlet's Walk By Tori Amos Release date: 29 October, 2002

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INTERVIEW ME
Current mood: chipper
Category: Life

Interview Me

This is a blog game.

Here's how it works:

I answer the questions from my 'interview' here. Then if you want to play you do this:

1. Be one of the first five people to reply with INTERVIEW ME.

2. I will respond by asking you five questions (not the same as you see here).

3. You will update your blog/site with the answers to the questions.

4. You will include this explanation and an offer to interview someone else in the same post.

5. When others comment asking to be interviewed, you will ask them five questions.


Below are the interview questions posed by Barbara and my responses.

1. What one law would you create/change if any and why?

            Torn on this one... Free health insurance for EVERYONE. For crying out loud America, take a chapter from Canada's book and PROVIDE!! The legalization of stem cell research. And, much as this should go without saying: keep religion out of our public schools. Period. No "Creation Science." No bowing heads. No prayers. And dammit, return the allegiance to its original form and remove "Under God" immediately.

2. If you could interview anyone who would it be and what would you want to ask them?

            T. S. Eliot: I've read so many different versions of the whole Vivienne period of your life – set it straight. Why did you never marry Emily Hale? How much influence did Vivienne's mental instability have on your poetry – particularly The Wasteland? And how essential to your work was the guilt and remorse she evoked? How much of "J. Alfred Prufrock" is Thomas Stearns Eliot? After your initial burst of poetic accomplishment, you staggered off into plays, but never experienced theatrical success – why did you not redirect your efforts?  And how did this failure affect you? It seems that one of the great frustrations of your life was your inability to be a "saint." You struggled with the very idea of sex and women and perfection. From where did these ideas spring? Much has been written about your anti-Semitism, care to speak to that? The Wasteland is perhaps your most celebrated work; what do you consider your crowning achievement? From an early age, you were consumed by time and decay, and used these images throughout your work. Did you believe that your conversion to Christianity would rescue you from time, and that you would somehow transcend decay? In Hollow Men, you seem to be saying that man is destroying himself – that man is unwilling to do the necessary work in order to reverse the entropic flow. And you once said that the greatest poet may not belong to his age "not only by being behind or ahead of his age, but being above it." Is that how you saw yourself when compared to your peers/generation? Were you doing the necessary work? Were you "above" your age? Late in life, you wrote a poem for your second wife Valerie called simply A Dedication to My Wife. Your hopelessness appears to have given way to delight and love – does that mean that you were finally able to rise above the guilt and sinfulness you carried throughout your life?

3. If you could be anything for a day, what would you want to be?

            Anything for a day? I'd like to be a physicist...I'd like to explore (and fully understand) the fabric of the universe, Superstring Theory, and the power of giant black holes.

4. What is your biggest pet peeve?

            Stupidity. I have no patience for ignorance. Knowledge is very easy to acquire; read a book, watch a documentary, learn something, GROW.

5. If you were stuck on a deserted island what 3 things would you want with you?

            Ooooh. This is an tough one. I would need all of my books (can I count that as one item??). If I can't take all of them, then I will take just one: House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski. Now this is where it gets tricky. I would want pens and paper – but I wonder if these are items I can somehow manufacture on my island? Coffee and cigarettes or pens and paper? I wonder how long I will be stuck there?

Ok, my final answer:

1. House of Leaves  

2. Pens 

Currently listening : American Doll Posse By Tori Amos Release date: 01 May, 2007

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Update on the Christian Propaganda...
Current mood: cheerful
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Sadly, I must admit, that I have not yet been able to convince myself to read Why Would a Good God Allow Suffering. Much as I would like to tell you that I've been too busy or too distracted, the truth is that anything that begins by bringing Job into it is just laughable. Job. Of all the Biblical characters, the one that God played with and hurt the most...to win a wager with the Satan character. That is just plain funny. Anyone else manage to get a hold of it and actually read it? I wonder if I can find it on CD? Here are a few enjoyable quotes:

There are answers. Not exhaustive, but enough to keep our pain in perspective. Enough to show us how to put suffering to work for us.

As we search the Bible, we discover that it paints a picture of a God who can do anything He chooses to do. Sometimes He has acted in mercy and performed miracle in behalf of His people. At other times, though, He has chosen to do nothing to stop tragedy. He is supposed to be intimately involved in our lives, yet at times He seems deaf to our cries for help. In the Bible, He assures us that He controls all that happens, but he sometimes lets us be the targets of evil people, bad genes, dangerous viruses, or natural disasters.

The great gift of human freedom that He has given to us, the ability to choose, carries with it the risk of making wrong choices.

So....without having read the entire thing, for I know what lies therein (lots of strange rationalizations that are, frankly, absurd), the seemingly simple, yet apparently difficult questions are: if this "good" merciful, all-loving God controls all that happens, then why is there any suffering at all? And if this great omniscient and omnipotent being is controlling all that happens, then how on earth are we capable of making the wrong choices?

Anyhow, I promised to keep you posted....that is as far as I've gotten...I just started reading Dawkins' The Ancestor's Tale. As soon as I finish those 700 pages, perhaps I will attempt this 32-page flyer..

Ta-ta!

Currently reading : The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution By Richard Dawkins Release date: 02 September, 2005

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*Ugh* Christian Propoganda...
Current mood: cheerful
Category: playful Religion and Philosophy

This weekend I will briefly abandon Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking for the tasty little gem I received this morning: Why Would a Good God Allow Suffering. Yes, a bit of Christian propaganda has fallen into my lap, not handed to me by a bewildered Jehovah's Witness attempting to escape my questions, not anonymously dropped into my mailbox or left on my windshield - but handed to me at work by a friend whose fiance is a minister.... Interesting, yes? This fiance of a friend once wandered into my profile and left me a message - but when challenged, he vanished. I've asked about him - even asked him to come back. But alas, the best he can do, apparently, is hand over someone else's words instead of debating me with his own. And so I will do what is expected of me: I will read this tired piece of Christian ballyhoo, mark it up, and respond atheist-style. Perhaps then he will return and debate with his very own thoughts and ideas and theories. I will let you all know how that goes....

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