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Debate: Contraception for Married Couples?
Debate: Contraception for Married Couples?
Mathew- I want this topic to be about birth control.
Andrea- What about it? What's the issue?
Mathew- Well, I've been debating lately with people about whether birth control is ok for married people.
Andrea- What the hell are you talking about!
Andrea- How is that even an issue, of course it's ok. Are you trying to stop married people from having sex too now?
Tristan- Go Andrea!
Mathew- It is an issue. Birth control pills mess with human biology. And barrier methods prevent conception. That makes sex more about lust than its natural purpose.
Andrea- What about the purpose of bonding husband and wife!
Tristian- I agree with Andrea.
Andrea- And who cares if it is just for pleasure - especially between married people!?
Jon- I sort of agree with Matthew and Andrea.
Tristian- Yes, let us all have children because Matthew wants more of a pleasurable sex life.
Mathew- I just want to allow nature to happen without me trying to play God.
Jon- It's not about that, per se, it's about human biology in the aspect of birth control can sometimes be harmful.
Mathew- That's very true. It used to cause cancer in thousands of women before they considered taking it off the shelves for more research.
Andrea- God could break through a condom if he wanted to- he does it all the time.
Tristian- Well even if contraception were illegal would the topic of abortion still be the same?
Andrea- There would be a lot more unwanted pregnancies- probably making the abortion issue an even bigger concern.
Jon- were not talking about abortion we're talking about contraceptives.
Tristian- I agree with Andrea again. Contraceptives do more help then harm.
Jon- In Reality, but has anyone ever really thought about the consequences?
Mathew- I don't think its right to trick a woman's body into thinking she's pregnant. There has to be psychological, biological, and spiritual consequences of that.
Jon- Agreed. Though I'm not a woman, I've known girls who were on "the pill" and their hormones were going crazy.
Tristian- So you're saying if men understood what it was like to have "the pill" this debate would sway?
Mathew- Also, not using contraceptives is like saying that you trust god fully to help you create your family.
Andrea- As a female I know that BCP's do mess a girl up really bad. The only reason I'm leery of them is because I've been on them and it was horrible.
Jon- I don't look at it as god's way of saying you should or should not have children. I look at it as they impede the way of natural living.
Tristian- What do you mean by that?
Jon- I mean, that if you're fated to have children, you're going to have children, not because of any unseen force, but just because you were meant to have children. As they say, no contraceptive is 100%
Andrea- That's very true!
Tristian- But that is not true Jon, meaning that fate will keep you from having children if you have sex 4 times a day without protection.
Tristian- If my partner and I don't want kids, but yet we don't use protection, then how do we even have a shot of not getting pregnant.
Andrea- Your odds definitely go up without contraception.
Jon- According to a federal report, "33 million condoms were recalled or rejected in the last year".
Mathew- Well, I also don't like the idea of condoms because it blocks the pheromones so they don't work as effectively to bond people.
Mathew- A woman's body recognizes the man, and connects them even more.
Tristian- I agree with Matthew in that a woman's body recognizes the man, and connects the man even more.
Tristian- but, your odds of pregnancy go up, and if you don't want children, that's bad.
Tristian- studies also show, "Only about 4 in every 1,000 domestic condoms were deemed defective".
Mathew- But as you say, God can work around the condoms anyway, so I guess you're meant to get one of those four if it's meant to be, so why even worry about it?
Jon- Well, that's all just condoms, yes they're pretty safe, even though studies also show, "Imported condoms proved more risky, with a defective rate of 6.5 for every 1,000, which was still a drop from last year's rate of 7.3".
Tristian- My point is that condoms are one kind of contraceptive and they're generally effective, and safe.
Andrea- But Mathew, don't you and your wife use rhythm method? That's a way of changing your odds.
Jon- What's rhythm method? Is that like the emergency pill?
Andrea- It's when you don't have sex when the woman is ovulating, to bring down the chance of getting pregnant.
Mathew- That's true, but it's not an unnatural method.
Andrea- It's purposely trying to prevent pregnancy.
Tristian- But contraceptives would make sure you could have sex when you want it.
Mathew- But the chance of getting pregnant is still there- which is good because that's the point of sex.
Andrea- But if you purposely do something to lower the chances- you're admitting that you're mostly doing it for pleasure and not to make babies.
Mathew- But it's still a more natural method that doesn't block pheromones and it still leaves the chances more open for a pregnancy to occur.
Jon- Matthew, it sounds like you want to have children
Andrea- But, you're still trying to prevent pregnancy- so you're a hypocrite!
Mathew- I do want to have kids- family is the most precious thing we have in life.
Jon- Hey what do you guys think about Emergency Contraception – its birth control that prevents pregnancy after sex, which is why it is sometimes called "the morning after pill".
Andrea- The only thing EC is good for is to prevent abortion in an unfortunate situation that someone got into because they didn't use contraception for whatever reason.
Andrea- it should only be for emergencies
Mathew- If you don't want to have kids, don't have sex.
Tristian- Well, let us try to put this in the view of someone who doesn't want to have children.
Jon- I don't want children, but contraceptives still impede maximum pleasure no matter what the box says.
Andrea- What about married couples who don't want kids?
Tristian- So you're saying you're not allowed to have sex unless you want babies.
Jon- I disagree, if sex were made for procreation alone, then there would be no pleasure involved.
Mathew- The purpose of sex is to make babies (and to bond husbands and wives) - it's not for acting out your lust.
Tristian- I agree with Jon.
Jon- Finally!
Andrea- God made it feel good so you'll keep doing it- even if you don't' know all the reasons of why.
Tristian- But, I do think sex should be had for making LOVE, not babies, babies should be an outcome of a joyous experience.
Jon- How does sex work into homosexual relationships?
Mathew- It shouldn't
Tristian- I think were sticking to heterosexual relationships at the moments
Tristian- Besides the homophobic comment. Gays have sex; it's just as simple as that
Jon- Agreed
Jon- Then that brings about the subject of contraception when in a common law gay relationship, since it's as close to marriage as the gays can get.
Tristian- But we were talking about the married heterosexuals.
Mathew- God's laws are more important than man's laws and God hasn't changed his mind on that, even if this country is getting weak on that issue.
Andrea- Boys! Boys! Back to the issue!
Andrea- So, I want to know what April thinks about it, since she's apparently on Mathew's side too.
April- Hey, I'm here.
April- I agree with Mathew, it is a way for people to bond- with the pheromones and because every time you make love there's an agreement that you could get pregnant and that's good or at least ok.
Jon- Wait, so you're saying you've just been LUCKY enough to not get pregnant.
Tristian- But I guess if they want children eventually, its okay.
April- It's more that God doesn't want us to have children yet. But we want to stay open to the possibility. And that's true- we do want children as soon as god wants us to.
Jon- Alright, so then, the non-contraception works for them.
Tristian- Well, I suppose, but not in a literal since. They've just gotten lucky.
Andrea- So why do you use the rhythm method then?
April- Because it's a way to prevent pregnancy when it's less convenient. But we wouldn't have gotten married if we weren't prepared to have kids now.
Jon- That sure is a holier then thou attitude though.
Andrea- So you're worried about the timing of having kids, but you wouldn't allow anyone to take more precautions. What about a married couple who's in financial troubles all of a sudden.
Tristian- Good point.
Jon- They shouldn't have children then.
Tristian- So you're saying, "Only the rich are allowed to have children".
Jon- No, only those who can afford it.
Mathew- I guess that's a good point, I hadn't really thought about that. I guess there are some circumstances that people might need to be more careful. But that's only for the very poor who can't afford kids, not just them being an inconvenience.
Jon- I'm saying abstinence is the best form of contraceptive.
Tristian- For teenagers maybe, for a married couple . . . not so much.
Mathew- But you wouldn't get pregnant unless it was meant to be. Also, I think maybe you should consider abstinence during the hard times. Also rhythm is fairly effective.
Tristian- NO, you've just been lucky.
Tristian- You shouldn't promote something that has luckily worked for you guys.
Mathew- Statistics say that it's fairly affective. The Rhythm Method is more than 91% affective. Basal Body Temperature (BBT) Method is 98% effective. It's about as affective as Cervical Caps. And BBT method is more affective.
Jon- Good point.
Tristian- Those methods are for those who want to spend the time and effort into knowing when you're ovulating, and charts and lots of other things that make sex a business meeting rather then making love.
Jon- But it makes sex more natural and pleasurable.
Mathew- It's bonding to talk about the possibilities with your partner and talk about it realistically. It shouldn't be taken lightly. Sex is a big deal.
Tristian- I can talk before I have sex, and after, not a three months procedure about possibly having sex next year.
Andrea- If you're really trying to be natural you would just leave it totally up to fate and do it when ever you felt the desire and you wouldn't think about any form of preventing pregnancy- including rhythm method.
Jon- But it's a way to get rid of unhealthy and unnatural contraceptives.
Tristian - But you get rid of the ones that are as natural as they come, LIKE condoms. Condoms may not be the nicest things to put on, or to try and get off, but they are quick, fast and efficient.
Jon- This coming from the virgin.
Andrea- lol.
Tristian- Be that as it may, the process is quick and effective according to studies.
Jon- lol.
Mathew- Should sex be a quick and effective process?
Andrea- Said the man that tells his wife when they can't have sex because of a calendar.
April- Hey! He doesn't tell me when we can have sex. I have a say in it too.
Tristian- LOL Andrea.
Tristian- I'm talking about the process to have sex, shouldn't be spent on months of preparation. It should be easy to get into the act and have a longer time of pleasure without worry.
Jon- Well, condoms impede pleasure especially if they were imported.
Tristian- Well let us say it is the best condoms they have out there. They work just as fine.
Jon- According to whom . . . virgin.
Mathew- How do you explain that it blocks the pheromones?
Tristian- It doesn't block pleasure.
Jon- But it blocks spiritual connection.
Mathew- What about the bonding pheromones?
Tristian- This coming from the agnostic
Mathew- its science, not just spirituality.
Tristian- It's more of a mental connection.
Tristian- But I'm not worried about mental connection when the need is about to happen.
Mathew- But the connection is one of the main points of sex.
Jon- And that the connection of sex in marriage is key
Andrea- Ok everyone- Closing statements!
April- I think people should do whatever is most natural and leaves some chances up to fate, in whatever they do, sex or otherwise.
Tristian- I think contraceptives bring about a way to move from third base to the home plate without worry of a child, or a necessity to plan. They also provide comfort in knowing you won't catch something such as herpes.
Jon- I think natural ways are more . . . natural, but the bonds and the pleasure are more comforting without contraceptives especially in marital relationships along with common law. So unless it would be somehow harming to where contraceptives would be best, I think they are unnecessary.
Mathew- I think sex is a sacred act between a married man and a woman and no unnatural barriers should be used to impede that sacred act and all the spiritual things that it brings about- that we know about or not.
Andrea- I think everyone should do what they think is best for them.
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